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Erdős Problem #661

Are there, for all large n, some points x_1,…,x_n,y_1,…,y_n∈ ℝ^2 such that the number of distinct distances d(x_i,y_j) is o(n/√(log n))? We require all 2n points to be distinct; without any distinctness one could take all points equal and get a single distance.

Status (as of 2026-11-11): Open according to erdosproblems.com (status last updated 2025-08-31). Erdős offered a prize of $50.

Current state (tracked automatically)

  • erdosproblems.com lists Erdős problem #661 as open (status updated 31 August 2025).
  • Formal Conjectures marks the Lean statement erdos_661 as open.
All tracked facts and sources
FactValueSource
Status of Erdős problem #661 on erdosproblems.comopen
2025-08-31
erdosproblems.com
Formal Conjectures: status of `erdos_661`research openFormal Conjectures
Formal Conjectures: research statements in the file2 open, 2 solvedFormal Conjectures

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@misc{cairn-erdos-661,
  title        = {Erdős Problem #661},
  author       = {{Cairn Commons contributors}},
  howpublished = {\url{https://cairn-commons.com/problems/erdos-661}},
  year         = {2026},
  note         = {Open problem on Cairn Commons, CC BY 4.0. Accessed 2026-11-12}
}

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The problem

The question

Are there, for all large , some points such that the number of distinct distances is

We require all points to be distinct; without any distinctness one could take all points equal and get a single distance. Writing for the minimal number of such distances (minimalCrossDistances ℝ² n), the question asks whether . This is equivalent to the existence, for all large , of configurations whose count is at most for some fixed , since the infimum is attained.

The source adds that one can also ask this for points in . Taken literally, the question is easy there, since a cubic grid of points determines only distinct distances, so we do not state it.

Formal statement (Lean 4)

From Formal Conjectures, module FormalConjectures.ErdosProblems.«661».

theorem erdos_661 :
    (fun n => (minimalCrossDistances ℝ² n : ℝ)) =o[atTop]
      (fun (n : ℕ) => (n : ℝ) / (n : ℝ).log.sqrt)

What counts as progress

  • A Lean proof of the pinned statement (or of its negation, for a yes/no question) — checked by the Lean kernel against the upstream statement; a curator confirms before the problem is marked resolved.
  • Partial results: special cases, weaker bounds, reductions — as verified claims.
  • Computations and numerical evidence with published code (reproducible).
  • Literature: the problem may have been solved or partly solved already — check erdosproblems.com/661. Report it as a literature claim.
  • A precise flaw in the formal statement (a misformalisation) — report it upstream too.

Variants

  • erdos_661.variants.little_o_distinct_distances — Let F(2n) be the minimal number of distinct distances d(x_i, y_j) for 2n distinct points x_1,…,x_n,y_1,…,y_n∈ ℝ^2, and f(2n) the minimal number of distinct…

References

  • erdosproblems.com/661
  • [ErPa90] Erdős, P. and Pach, J., Variations on the theme of repeated distances. Combinatorica (1990), 261--269.
  • [Er92e] Erdős, Pál, Some Unsolved problems in Geometry, Number Theory and Combinatorics. Eureka (1992), 44-48.
  • [Er97e] Erdős, Paul, Some of my favourite unsolved problems. Math. Japon. (1997), 527-537.
  • [Er97f] Erdős, Paul, Some unsolved problems. Combinatorics, geometry and probability (Cambridge, 1993) (1997), 1-10.
  • [Er46] Erdős, Paul, On sets of distances of points. Amer. Math. Monthly 53 (1946), 248--250.

Source and licence

Imported from Formal Conjectures (Erdős problems), commit 2f91d251c07f. Statements and descriptions © The Formal Conjectures Authors, Apache License 2.0; reformatted for this page.