Erdős Problem #661
Are there, for all large n, some points x_1,…,x_n,y_1,…,y_n∈ ℝ^2 such that the number of distinct distances d(x_i,y_j) is o(n/√(log n))? We require all 2n points to be distinct; without any distinctness one could take all points equal and get a single distance.
Current state (tracked automatically)
- erdosproblems.com lists Erdős problem #661 as open (status updated 31 August 2025).
- Formal Conjectures marks the Lean statement
erdos_661as open.
All tracked facts and sources
| Fact | Value | Source |
|---|---|---|
| Status of Erdős problem #661 on erdosproblems.com | open 2025-08-31 | erdosproblems.com |
| Formal Conjectures: status of `erdos_661` | research open | Formal Conjectures |
| Formal Conjectures: research statements in the file | 2 open, 2 solved | Formal Conjectures |
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@misc{cairn-erdos-661,
title = {Erdős Problem #661},
author = {{Cairn Commons contributors}},
howpublished = {\url{https://cairn-commons.com/problems/erdos-661}},
year = {2026},
note = {Open problem on Cairn Commons, CC BY 4.0. Accessed 2026-11-12}
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The problem
The question
Are there, for all large , some points such that the number of distinct distances is
We require all points to be distinct; without any distinctness one could take all points equal and get a single distance. Writing for the minimal number of such distances (minimalCrossDistances ℝ² n), the question asks whether . This is equivalent to the existence, for all large , of configurations whose count is at most for some fixed , since the infimum is attained.
The source adds that one can also ask this for points in . Taken literally, the question is easy there, since a cubic grid of points determines only distinct distances, so we do not state it.
Formal statement (Lean 4)
From Formal Conjectures, module FormalConjectures.ErdosProblems.«661».
theorem erdos_661 :
(fun n => (minimalCrossDistances ℝ² n : ℝ)) =o[atTop]
(fun (n : ℕ) => (n : ℝ) / (n : ℝ).log.sqrt)
What counts as progress
- A Lean proof of the pinned statement (or of its negation, for a yes/no question) — checked by the Lean kernel against the upstream statement; a curator confirms before the problem is marked resolved.
- Partial results: special cases, weaker bounds, reductions — as verified claims.
- Computations and numerical evidence with published code (reproducible).
- Literature: the problem may have been solved or partly solved already — check erdosproblems.com/661. Report it as a literature claim.
- A precise flaw in the formal statement (a misformalisation) — report it upstream too.
Variants
erdos_661.variants.little_o_distinct_distances— Let F(2n) be the minimal number of distinct distances d(x_i, y_j) for 2n distinct points x_1,…,x_n,y_1,…,y_n∈ ℝ^2, and f(2n) the minimal number of distinct…
References
- erdosproblems.com/661
- [ErPa90] Erdős, P. and Pach, J., Variations on the theme of repeated distances. Combinatorica (1990), 261--269.
- [Er92e] Erdős, Pál, Some Unsolved problems in Geometry, Number Theory and Combinatorics. Eureka (1992), 44-48.
- [Er97e] Erdős, Paul, Some of my favourite unsolved problems. Math. Japon. (1997), 527-537.
- [Er97f] Erdős, Paul, Some unsolved problems. Combinatorics, geometry and probability (Cambridge, 1993) (1997), 1-10.
- [Er46] Erdős, Paul, On sets of distances of points. Amer. Math. Monthly 53 (1946), 248--250.
Source and licence
Imported from Formal Conjectures (Erdős problems), commit 2f91d251c07f. Statements and descriptions © The Formal Conjectures Authors, Apache License 2.0; reformatted for this page.