Erdős Problem #805
For which functions g(n) with n>g(n)≥ (log n)^2 is there a graph on n vertices in which every induced subgraph on g(n) vertices contains a clique of size ≥ log n and an independent set of size ≥ log n? In particular, is there such a graph for g(n)=(log n)^3? This is the first part.
Current state (tracked automatically)
- erdosproblems.com lists Erdős problem #805 as open (status updated 31 August 2025).
All tracked facts and sources
| Fact | Value | Source |
|---|---|---|
| Status of Erdős problem #805 on erdosproblems.com | open 2025-08-31 | erdosproblems.com |
| Formal Conjectures: research statements in the file | 2 open, 2 solved | Formal Conjectures |
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@misc{cairn-erdos-805,
title = {Erdős Problem #805},
author = {{Cairn Commons contributors}},
howpublished = {\url{https://cairn-commons.com/problems/erdos-805}},
year = {2026},
note = {Open problem on Cairn Commons, CC BY 4.0. Accessed 2026-11-12}
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The problem
The question
erdos_805.parts.i. For which functions with is there a graph on vertices in which every induced subgraph on vertices contains a clique of size and an independent set of size ?
In particular, is there such a graph for ?
This is the first part. A problem of Erdős and Hajnal [Er91]; see also erdosproblems.com/804. The inequalities on g are required for all large n, and a graph is required for all large n.
erdos_805.parts.ii. For which functions with is there a graph on vertices in which every induced subgraph on vertices contains a clique of size and an independent set of size ?
In particular, is there such a graph for ?
This is the second part. Erdős and Hajnal thought that there is no such graph for [AlSu07]; we state the positive proposition, with and a graph required for all large , as in the first part.
Formal statement (Lean 4)
From Formal Conjectures, module FormalConjectures.ErdosProblems.«805» (2 statements).
theorem erdos_805.parts.i :
{g : ℕ → ℕ | (∀ᶠ n : ℕ in atTop, Real.log n ^ 2 ≤ g n ∧ g n < n) ∧ HasRamseyGraphs g} =
erdos_805.parts.i.answer
theorem erdos_805.parts.ii : HasRamseyGraphs (fun n ↦ ⌊Real.log n ^ 3⌋₊)
What counts as progress
- A Lean proof of one of the statements above, pinned as the claim's formal statement.
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- Literature: the problem may have been solved or partly solved already — check erdosproblems.com/805. Report it as a literature claim.
- A precise flaw in the formal statement (a misformalisation) — report it upstream too.
References
- erdosproblems.com/805
- [Er91] Erdős, P., *Problems and results in combinatorial analysis and combinatorial number theory*. Graph theory, combinatorics, and applications, Vol. 1 (Kalamazoo, MI, 1988) (1991), 397-406.
- [AlSu07] Alon, N. and Sudakov, B., *On graphs with subgraphs having large independence numbers*. J. Graph Theory 56 (2007), 149-157. arXiv:0706.4099
- [ABS21] Alon, N., Bucić, M. and Sudakov, B., *Large cliques and independent sets all over the place*. Proc. Amer. Math. Soc. 149 (2021), 3145-3157. arXiv:2004.04718
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