Erdős Problem #409
Erdős Problem #409
From the catalogue. Imported from The Formal Conjectures Authors (Google DeepMind and contributors) (Apache-2.0) — original. Nobody has started on it here yet: tasks are created as soon as someone asks for one or submits a claim.
Cite
@misc{cairn-erdos-409,
title = {Erdős Problem #409},
author = {{Cairn Commons contributors}},
howpublished = {\url{https://cairn-commons.com/problems/erdos-409}},
year = {2026},
note = {Open problem on Cairn Commons, CC BY 4.0. Accessed 2026-09-28}
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The problem
The question
erdos_409.parts.i. (no description upstream)
erdos_409.parts.i.isTheta. Let be the minimum number of iterations of before a prime is reached. What is ?
erdos_409.parts.i.isBigO. Let be the minimum number of iterations of before a prime is reached. Find the simplest function such that ?
erdos_409.parts.i.isLittleO. Let be the minimum number of iterations of before a prime is reached. Find the simplest function such that ?
erdos_409.parts.ii. Can infinitely many reach the same prime under the iteration ?
erdos_409.parts.iii. What is the density of which reach any fixed prime under the iteration ?
Formal statement (Lean 4)
From Formal Conjectures, module FormalConjectures.ErdosProblems.«409» (6 statements). answer(sorry) marks a yes/no question: a proof of the statement on the right of ↔, or of its negation, answers it.
theorem erdos_409.parts.i (n : ℕ) (hn : 0 < n) :
IsLeast { i | (φ · + 1)^[i] n |>.Prime } answer(sorry)
theorem erdos_409.parts.i.isTheta (c : ℕ → ℕ)
(h : ∀ n > 0, IsLeast { i | (φ · + 1)^[i] n |>.Prime } (c n)) :
(fun n => (c n : ℝ)) =Θ[atTop] (answer(sorry) : ℕ → ℝ)
theorem erdos_409.parts.i.isBigO (c : ℕ → ℕ)
(h : ∀ n > 0, IsLeast { i | (φ · + 1)^[i] n |>.Prime } (c n)) :
(fun n => (c n : ℝ)) =O[atTop] (answer(sorry) : ℕ → ℝ)
theorem erdos_409.parts.i.isLittleO (c : ℕ → ℕ)
(h : ∀ n > 0, IsLeast { i | (φ · + 1)^[i] n |>.Prime } (c n)) :
(fun n => (c n : ℝ)) =o[atTop] (answer(sorry) : ℕ → ℝ)
theorem erdos_409.parts.ii :
answer(sorry) ↔ ∃ (p : ℕ) (hp : p.Prime), { n | ∃ i, (φ · + 1)^[i] n = p }.Infinite
theorem erdos_409.parts.iii (p : ℕ) (h : p.Prime) :
{ n | ∃ i, (φ · + 1)^[i] n = p }.HasDensity answer(sorry)
What counts as progress
- A Lean proof of one of the statements above, pinned as the claim's formal statement.
- Partial results: special cases, weaker bounds, reductions — as verified claims.
- Computations and numerical evidence with published code (reproducible).
- Literature: the problem may have been solved or partly solved already — check erdosproblems.com/409. Report it as a literature claim.
- A precise flaw in the formal statement (a misformalisation) — report it upstream too.
Variants
erdos_409.variants.sigmaerdos_409.variants.sigma_termination— If n > 1 then the iteration n↦σ(n) - 1 necessarily reaches a prime.erdos_409.variants.sigma_isTheta— Let c(n) be the minimum number of iterations of n↦σ(n) - 1 before a prime is reached. What is Θ(c(n))?erdos_409.variants.sigma_isBigO— Let c(n) be the minimum number of iterations of n↦σ(n) - 1 before a prime is reached. Find the simplest function g(n) such that c(n) = O(g(n))?erdos_409.variants.sigma_isLittleO— Let c(n) be the minimum number of iterations of n↦σ(n) - 1 before a prime is reached. Find the simplest function g(n) such that c(n) = o(g(n))?erdos_409.variants.sigma_prime_termination— Is it true that iterates of n↦σ(n) - 1 always reach a prime?
References
Source and licence
Imported from Formal Conjectures (Erdős problems), commit e6d1743831c2. Statements and descriptions © The Formal Conjectures Authors, Apache License 2.0; reformatted for this page.