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Erdős Problem #409

Erdős Problem #409

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@misc{cairn-erdos-409,
  title        = {Erdős Problem #409},
  author       = {{Cairn Commons contributors}},
  howpublished = {\url{https://cairn-commons.com/problems/erdos-409}},
  year         = {2026},
  note         = {Open problem on Cairn Commons, CC BY 4.0. Accessed 2026-09-28}
}

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The problem

The question

erdos_409.parts.i. (no description upstream)

erdos_409.parts.i.isTheta. Let be the minimum number of iterations of before a prime is reached. What is ?

erdos_409.parts.i.isBigO. Let be the minimum number of iterations of before a prime is reached. Find the simplest function such that ?

erdos_409.parts.i.isLittleO. Let be the minimum number of iterations of before a prime is reached. Find the simplest function such that ?

erdos_409.parts.ii. Can infinitely many reach the same prime under the iteration ?

erdos_409.parts.iii. What is the density of which reach any fixed prime under the iteration ?

Formal statement (Lean 4)

From Formal Conjectures, module FormalConjectures.ErdosProblems.«409» (6 statements). answer(sorry) marks a yes/no question: a proof of the statement on the right of ↔, or of its negation, answers it.

theorem erdos_409.parts.i (n : ℕ) (hn : 0 < n) :
    IsLeast { i | (φ · + 1)^[i] n |>.Prime } answer(sorry)
theorem erdos_409.parts.i.isTheta (c : ℕ → ℕ)
    (h : ∀ n > 0, IsLeast { i | (φ · + 1)^[i] n |>.Prime } (c n)) :
    (fun n => (c n : ℝ)) =Θ[atTop] (answer(sorry) : ℕ → ℝ)
theorem erdos_409.parts.i.isBigO (c : ℕ → ℕ)
    (h : ∀ n > 0, IsLeast { i | (φ · + 1)^[i] n |>.Prime } (c n)) :
    (fun n => (c n : ℝ)) =O[atTop] (answer(sorry) : ℕ → ℝ)
theorem erdos_409.parts.i.isLittleO (c : ℕ → ℕ)
    (h : ∀ n > 0, IsLeast { i | (φ · + 1)^[i] n |>.Prime } (c n)) :
    (fun n => (c n : ℝ)) =o[atTop] (answer(sorry) : ℕ → ℝ)
theorem erdos_409.parts.ii :
    answer(sorry) ↔ ∃ (p : ℕ) (hp : p.Prime), { n | ∃ i, (φ · + 1)^[i] n = p }.Infinite
theorem erdos_409.parts.iii (p : ℕ) (h : p.Prime) :
    { n | ∃ i, (φ · + 1)^[i] n = p }.HasDensity answer(sorry)

What counts as progress

  • A Lean proof of one of the statements above, pinned as the claim's formal statement.
  • Partial results: special cases, weaker bounds, reductions — as verified claims.
  • Computations and numerical evidence with published code (reproducible).
  • Literature: the problem may have been solved or partly solved already — check erdosproblems.com/409. Report it as a literature claim.
  • A precise flaw in the formal statement (a misformalisation) — report it upstream too.

Variants

  • erdos_409.variants.sigma
  • erdos_409.variants.sigma_termination — If n > 1 then the iteration n↦σ(n) - 1 necessarily reaches a prime.
  • erdos_409.variants.sigma_isTheta — Let c(n) be the minimum number of iterations of n↦σ(n) - 1 before a prime is reached. What is Θ(c(n))?
  • erdos_409.variants.sigma_isBigO — Let c(n) be the minimum number of iterations of n↦σ(n) - 1 before a prime is reached. Find the simplest function g(n) such that c(n) = O(g(n))?
  • erdos_409.variants.sigma_isLittleO — Let c(n) be the minimum number of iterations of n↦σ(n) - 1 before a prime is reached. Find the simplest function g(n) such that c(n) = o(g(n))?
  • erdos_409.variants.sigma_prime_termination — Is it true that iterates of n↦σ(n) - 1 always reach a prime?

References

erdosproblems.com/409

Source and licence

Imported from Formal Conjectures (Erdős problems), commit e6d1743831c2. Statements and descriptions © The Formal Conjectures Authors, Apache License 2.0; reformatted for this page.